tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28989955.post115013053215012348..comments2023-10-30T14:34:16.722-07:00Comments on Men Need Feminism: More on Muscles and MasculinityJeff Pollethttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13789663140920958914noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28989955.post-1150384242605007262006-06-15T08:10:00.000-07:002006-06-15T08:10:00.000-07:00How about enumeration along a continuum? :)Good po...How about enumeration along a continuum? :)<BR/><BR/>Good point though. I think once you open the door to the social construction of gender, there are in some sense an infinite number of genders possible.Jeff Pollethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13789663140920958914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28989955.post-1150332076199978962006-06-14T17:41:00.000-07:002006-06-14T17:41:00.000-07:00And still other people see gender as a continuum, ...And still other people see gender as a continuum, rather than an enumeration. Since it is impossible to list off (or even name) an infinite number of genders, and out of respect for differing views of what gender means, or even if it exists, we try to keep our language oblique enough that we don't exclude anyone.Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15492294499781518531noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28989955.post-1150323866382920232006-06-14T15:24:00.000-07:002006-06-14T15:24:00.000-07:00deadman--I use the phrase 'other genders' because ...deadman--<BR/>I use the phrase 'other genders' because some trans people (among others) consider themselves separate genders, and it just gets way too complex and numorous to spell them all out all the time (i.e. men, women, bio-boys, bio-girls, ftms, mtfs, androgonists....). Still, I'm using it loosely, so if you have other suggestions that would pay respect to the fact that there are people who don't identify as 'male' or 'female' as traditional gender roles, let me know.Jeff Pollethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13789663140920958914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28989955.post-1150322238660208552006-06-14T14:57:00.000-07:002006-06-14T14:57:00.000-07:00'like other genders are strong'Ok I’ve noticed thi...'like other genders are strong'<BR/><BR/>Ok I’ve noticed this before on this page and was just wondering, why use the plural form of the word “gender”, when referring to another gender. There are only 2, so when referring to "another gender" there is only 1 option. Or am i missing something here? <BR/><BR/>Just curiousAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28989955.post-1150240012699258232006-06-13T16:06:00.000-07:002006-06-13T16:06:00.000-07:00I actually think we're all in agreement here. "But...I actually think we're all in agreement here. <BR/><I>"But I don't think a rebuttable default assumption is so bad."</I><BR/><BR/>Maybe not--but it still is important to keep in mind (and this is part of the whole self-examining thing we're all advocating, I think) just how many negatives <I>can</I> pile up if you're not paying attention. This is part of what, I think, feminist men can do for each other--point out both the 'negatives' (i.e. dave's conversation about 'X-only spaces' in another post) and the 'positives' (i.e. I go work out using a regimen provided by a woman, at a gym that doesn't have much in the way of the sexism that most gyms do, etc.). Part of how men can support each other <I>as feminists</I> is to be critical, but also to be...erm...supportive. :)Jeff Pollethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13789663140920958914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28989955.post-1150239360900083972006-06-13T15:56:00.000-07:002006-06-13T15:56:00.000-07:00Stentor, you've said, a lot more succinctly than m...Stentor, you've said, a lot more succinctly than me, what I was trying to get at: It is valuable and necessary to engage in rigorous self-examination to make sure that our own motives are moral. Working out is just one of many examples of activities that are perfectly justifiable -- as long as we don't engage in them for the wrong reasons.Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15492294499781518531noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28989955.post-1150238290311279592006-06-13T15:38:00.000-07:002006-06-13T15:38:00.000-07:00It would be a problem if we said that *by definiti...It would be a problem if we said that *by definition* men who bulk up are doing it to be more manly. But I don't think a rebuttable default assumption is so bad. The fact is that in our society it's so easy to come up with gender-neutral rationalizations for complying with the patriarchy. So some default skepticism can help cut through that. I'm sure the muscles=manly(=bad for a pro-feminist) thing has pushed you to be more self-critical about your own reasons for working out.Stentorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13629599671442149938noreply@blogger.com